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The Vance-Walz Debate Could Be the Most Influential VP Debate in U.S. History
October 01, 2024
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Left: Republican vice presidential nominee Sen. J.D. Vance speaks at a campaign rally on August 6 in Philadelphia. Right: Democratic vice presidential nominee Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz addresses the Democratic National Convention on August 21 in Chicago. Justin Sullivan/Getty Images; Drew Hallowell/Getty Images

As we head into one of the most critical elections in modern U.S. history, the vice-presidential debate between J.D. Vance and Tim Walz has the potential to be the most influential VP debate ever. With Vice President Kamala Harris dodging detailed policy discussions and offering little more than vague soundbites throughout the campaign, this debate will be the first opportunity for voters to hear substantial policy discourse—something that has been sorely missing from the Harris/Walz ticket. Here’s why this debate could eclipse previous VP matchups and alter the trajectory of the race.

1. Kamala Harris: The Queen of Word Salad

Vice President Kamala Harris has become synonymous with vague, meandering answers that often leave the public and media searching for any coherent policy stance. Whether in interviews or public appearances, Harris tends to lean on her background, reciting personal anecdotes about growing up in a middle-class neighborhood or her work as a prosecutor. However, she has consistently avoided specifics on pressing issues, from immigration to the economy. Critics, like Peggy Noonan from The Wall Street Journal, have pointed out that Harris’s inability to deliver clear, direct answers reflects poorly on her ability to lead.

Voters are hungry for real answers. Harris has yet to hold a formal press conference during this campaign, avoiding direct engagement on policy. Meanwhile, her running mate, Tim Walz, has mirrored this strategy, offering little more than progressive platitudes without diving into the details of his platform. The American people have grown tired of the “word salad” responses from the Harris/Walz camp, and this debate will finally offer the stark contrast voters are seeking.

2. J.D. Vance: A Voice for the Working Class with Substance

While the Harris/Walz campaign has relied on vague talking points, J.D. Vance offers something different—clarity and substance. Vance has been dismissed by Democrats as “weird,” but his appeal to the working-class voter is undeniable. Raised in the heart of Ohio, Vance understands the economic struggles of middle America, and he speaks to these issues with authenticity. Unlike the Democratic ticket, which avoids direct policy discussions, Vance is a policy wonk with a deep understanding of complex issues that matter to voters, from economic revitalization to trade and manufacturing.

This debate is Vance’s opportunity to showcase his command of policy and, in doing so, expose Tim Walz as a politician disconnected from the Rust Belt’s reality. Walz, who allowed his state to spiral into chaos during the riots of 2020, will have to answer for his failures in leadership—a stark contrast to Vance’s promise to restore order and economic stability in struggling regions. Vance’s ability to communicate real policy while connecting with working-class voters is what sets him apart in this debate and could be the deciding factor for millions of Americans.

3. Tim Walz: Rust Belt Fraud or Progressive Puppet?

Tim Walz will face significant challenges in this debate, as his record as governor of Minnesota will come under intense scrutiny. During the summer of 2020, Minneapolis became a focal point of the nationwide protests and riots following the death of George Floyd. Walz was heavily criticized for his mishandling of the situation, as the state suffered massive property damage, and many Minnesotans felt abandoned by his lack of decisive action. This debate gives Vance the chance to highlight Walz’s failures, showing that his leadership during the crisis was weak and ineffective.

In addition, Walz’s support for far-left policies—like tampons in boys’ bathrooms and other progressive cultural issues—will alienate moderate voters, especially those in swing states like Ohio and Pennsylvania. These policies may align with the progressive wing of the Democratic Party, but they do little to address the concerns of everyday Americans in the Rust Belt who care more about jobs, safety, and economic opportunity. Vance will likely draw a sharp contrast between Walz’s out-of-touch progressive positions and his own focus on economic growth and rebuilding American industry.

4. J.D. Vance’s Strength: Mastery of Policy vs. Walz’s Vagueness

One of the defining features of this debate will be the stark difference in how the candidates handle policy discussions. J.D. Vance is a master of policy minutiae. While President Trump—known for his bold, sweeping rhetoric—does not often dive into the weeds of policy, Vance excels in this area. Trump, having already served four years in office, doesn’t need to get into the fine details because his record speaks for itself—he was vetted by his performance as president, during which the country experienced historic economic growth, energy independence, and stronger border security.

Vance fills the gap by offering voters the detailed policy arguments that Trump doesn’t always emphasize. Vance’s expertise on issues like manufacturing, trade, and working-class economics will stand in stark contrast to the Harris/Walz ticket, which has so far been all slogans and no substance. This debate will force Walz to engage on real issues—something the Democratic campaign has been avoiding for months. As voters become increasingly frustrated with the lack of specific answers from Harris and Walz, Vance’s command of policy will be a breath of fresh air.

Additionally, Vance can effectively counter the false narrative that MAGA’s future agenda is driven by Project 2025, a think tank plan attributed to the Heritage Foundation. In reality, Vance will likely emphasize the real vision of MAGA: Agenda 47, a platform focused on economic revitalization, energy independence, and restoring American greatness. By clearly articulating the policies behind Agenda 47, Vance can dispel misconceptions and offer a compelling alternative to Walz’s vague progressive talking points.

5. The Debate America Has Been Waiting For

The American people are desperate for substance. In an election where much of the public discourse has been dominated by rhetorical dodges and talking-point politics, this debate offers something different. J.D. Vance will bring clarity, detail, and a focus on real issues that have been missing from the campaign thus far. For the first time, voters will hear from a candidate who can not only connect with the working-class electorate but also explain, in detail, how his policies will improve their lives.

This is a critical moment for the Republican ticket, as Vance’s clear command of policy will stand in stark contrast to the vague and often contradictory positions of Kamala Harris and Tim Walz. Where the Democrats have been offering word salads and avoiding press conferences, Vance will deliver concrete solutions to the problems facing America. This debate could be the moment where the Republican ticket begins to decisively pull ahead, showing the American people that there is a real alternative to the vague promises and empty rhetoric that have characterized the Harris/Walz campaign.

This VP debate has the potential to be the most influential in U.S. history. J.D. Vance will have the opportunity to showcase his policy expertise and connect with the working-class voters who feel neglected by the progressive agenda. Meanwhile, Tim Walz will be forced to defend his record and provide real answers—something his campaign has avoided up to this point. This debate will finally give voters what they’ve been waiting for: a substantive conversation about the future of America.

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2. Democrats Are Disorganized and Vulnerable
Both articles point out that Democrats are fractured, with weak 2028 candidates (Crouere cites Buttigieg at 16%, Kamala Harris at 13%) and no coherent leadership. In our piece, we went further by breaking down how Musk’s platform pulls more from Greens, progressives, and disaffected Dems than from any Republican constituency.

3. Musk Appeals to Left-Leaning Technocrats, Not the Base
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Bonus Point From Our Article – The Census Time Bomb

One point we emphasized that Crouere didn’t mention is the MTG Census Bill. If passed, this bill would exclude non-citizens from House seat apportionment, cutting the Democrats’ base by 20–25 House seats and shifting Electoral College votes. That, combined with Musk siphoning voters, could render the Left a permanent minority as Benny Johnson bluntly warned.

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So while many pundits still fear Musk will “split the Right,” both our article and Crouere’s make clear: the real risk is to the Democrats. And not enough voices are saying this.

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5 Reasons Why Elon Musk’s ‘American Party’ Won’t Hurt the MAGA Movement

Today, Elon Musk formally announced the creation of a new political movement: The American Party. While mainstream pundits rushed to speculate about a potential “spoiler” effect for Trump’s America First agenda, the reality is far less dramatic.

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✅ 1. The MAGA Coalition Is Tight and Built on 80/20 Issues

The America First movement is united around core 80/20 issues: secure borders, strong economy, peace through strength, energy independence, parental rights, and anti-wokeness. These are issues where 80%+ of Americans agree and where Trump leads with clarity, not ambiguity.

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✅ 2. Musk's Base Comes from the Left and Libertarians, Not MAGA

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  • 🟡 Libertarian Party: ~2–3% nationally

  • 🔵 Disaffected Democrats: small fraction, especially as Dems implode post-NYC primary

  • 🟥 MAGA defectors: negligible. Approval for Trump is above 90% in GOP primaries

Even in a best-case scenario, Musk is splitting the Left and the Libertarians not MAGA.

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Consider disaffected Democrats. Only a small fraction are likely to defect, especially as the party fractures following the NYC primary debacle. Democrats are already distancing themselves from Rep. Jamaal Bowman, whose far-left antics (including the infamous fire alarm stunt) and alignment with radical activist causes have made him politically radioactive outside progressive bubbles. The establishment wing is in damage control, and as I noted, "The American Party will only split Greens, Democrats, and Libertarians… Dems are already in a civil war due to the NYC race."


✅ 3. Musk Is a Political Novice

Elon may be brilliant in tech and innovation, but he’s bad at politics. Why? Because he’s naïve. He underestimates how deeply entrenched, coordinated, and ruthless the political establishment is.

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"Elon is bad at politics because he's naive. He needs to understand how the system works, both at its best and at its worst."

✅ 4. Trump Is the Most Popular Republican Since Reagan

The numbers don’t lie:

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  • 🇺🇸 His support among core MAGA voters is rock solid, especially post-OBBBA and SCOTUS wins

Larry summed it up:

“Elon needs Trump. Trump don’t need Elon.”


✅ 5. Trump Is Laser-Focused and Unbothered

In a direct quote from Robert Costa, Trump brushed off the Musk noise:

“That’s all I focus on,” Trump said of his presidency. “I don’t focus on anything else.”

He’s not chasing distractions. He’s delivering policy wins, one after another.

Elon’s Plan to Tip the Senate? Not Happening.

Elon’s rumored strategy: cherry-pick 2–3 House seats and maybe a Senate seat to play spoiler by 2028. But even that is a moonshot:

  • The House races Musk is targeting are in blue or swing districts already fractured by infighting

  • Trump’s grassroots infrastructure in those areas is battle-tested

  • Any “spoiler” effect will more likely siphon off Biden-leaning independents, not core GOP

Why the American Party Can’t Break MAGA and Won’t Unite the Left

Disaffected Democrats? That’s a pipe dream. Only a tiny sliver are likely to defect especially in light of the chaos unfolding after the NYC primary.

Democrats are already distancing themselves from radical figures like Rep. Jamaal Bowman, whose far-left antics—like pulling a fire alarm during a congressional vote and championing fringe activist causes have made him a liability. He’s now politically radioactive outside of the progressive Twitter echo chamber.

The Democratic establishment is in full-blown damage control mode, desperately trying to re-center ahead of 2026. And in that climate, Elon Musk’s tech-libertarian populism has zero appeal to their fractured base.

So let’s break it down again:

 

Bonus Reason: The MTG Census Bill Will Reshape the Electoral Map Forever

Perhaps the most devastating blow to the Democratic Party isn’t coming from Elon Musk or third-party spoilers—it’s coming from inside the House. If Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene’s Census Bill is passed and signed into law as part of the America First agenda, the impact will be historic and irreversible. The bill would count only U.S. citizens for purposes of apportioning House seats and Electoral College votes, removing millions of illegal aliens from the political equation.

As Benny Johnson put it:

“Once 20 million criminal aliens are deported, they have no future. No path to power. They’ll lose 25 House seats and every Presidential [election] for a generation. Permanent minority.”

This is the political extinction event Democrats fear most. It would collapse their artificial margins in deep-blue urban districts, shift 20 to 25 House seats, and strip them of key Electoral College votes, effectively locking them out of the White House for generations. It’s not just a policy reform; it’s a generational shift in representation.

Musk’s American Party is a side show. The real realignment is already underway.



In the end, Elon Musk’s new American Party may attract a handful of disaffected Greens, Libertarians, or progressive Democrats caught in their party’s internal collapse. But it will not fracture the MAGA coalition. That coalition remains one of the most disciplined, energized, and policy-driven political forces in American history.

Donald Trump’s support isn’t grounded in personality or media hype. It’s rooted in real accomplishments, a clear vision for the country, and a commitment to the foundational issues that resonate with everyday Americans. The strength of the movement comes from its values: secure borders, economic freedom, energy independence, peace through strength, and a fierce defense of American culture and sovereignty.

Musk may command headlines and court online engagement, but headlines don’t win elections movements do. And the America First movement is not only intact, it’s expanding.

No matter how many new parties Elon tries to launch, the truth is simple: he’s not pulling MAGA voters with him. The base is focused, immovable, and loyal to the mission not the noise.

President Trump continues to lead, not just as a political figure, but as the standard-bearer for a cause that resonates across generations. The MAGA movement is not looking for alternatives. It’s already found its champion.

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